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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast

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my name is ryan the original outlaw of

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the airwaves bringing you

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a vip episode of hero paranormal from

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the silver state the base

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at la madre mountain just south of area

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we are bringing you the well sometimes

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my mind is constantly blown and

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that's the fun and the love and the

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passion that it's about

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this particular guest today

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really characterizes that passion in a

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major way for me

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because he is not only altruistic

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in his mission but he is very

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forward-thinking and open-minded and

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willing to

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have a conversation with

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the people that matter and he's uh

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i'm talking about lou elizondo if you've

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watched and identified i believe it's

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season two episode three

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i could be wrong on that don't but i

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believe that's the one

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it's jeremy mcgowan and

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he's a local las vegas here a fellow

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local uh resident of las vegas so

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kudos to that another desert rat out

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here having a good time in the sun and

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not only is he having a good time in the

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sun he is doing some amazing things

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networking wise and technology wise

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working with sky hub technology if you

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haven't

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checked that out um gosh you've been

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i know i felt like i was living under a

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rock somewhere when i realized how neat

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sky hub

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is it came on quick everybody's getting

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involved

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i'm on it get in it i appreciate

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everybody who's involved jeremy is

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a front-runner here with a gofundme

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which we will

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shoot links to for all the listeners and

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also uh note here in the podcast so have

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a pen and paper ready

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what he is doing is attaching one of

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these skyhub

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units high high technology scanning

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uh it's amazing what they do onto his

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land rover and i'm kind of a land rover

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nut whatever you want to call it i have

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uh you know two of the pedigree in my

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and they are well he's got

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my possibly my all-time favor or one of

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my all-time favorites which is a land

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rover discovery with the ace package

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which is a pretty amazing

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package that they had on the discovery

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now a pretty amazing 4x4

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in its own capacity but what he's

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turning it into is basically

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something much more than that so

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keep keeping kee keep listening and

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jeremy's going to go into that

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there's so much more to this podcast

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than i think we can cram

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into the time allotted if you haven't

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watched and identified i highly

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recommend it it's on the history channel

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you will see to the stars academy

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followed by i believe a television crew

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jeremy can

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explicitly explain that a little bit

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better i'm not sure

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how that all works but it is much like

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other shows with the history channel

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that are as real as they can get

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and uh that's kind of how jeremy is as

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real as you can get

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one of the coolest guys out there great

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projects going on

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everybody get in there get it to be a

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and uh even if that's just pitching him

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a buck or two

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towards his gofundme and uh keeping

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track of what he's doing

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because it's really really cool and

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we're going to get into possibly the

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most amazing part of the whole scenario

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which is his own experiences

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and i'm talking about experiences in the

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with ufos and a lot of top secret stuff

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i'm not gonna get into we will let

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mr mcgowan talk about that in uh

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the way that he can because i know he

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has to carefully watch

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his words and as is commonly the case

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with people who were on missions like

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this so

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it's a doozy if you haven't been to

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heroparanormal.com please check it out

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it's a place where you can access

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quickly access the archives

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and listen to them in a more quickly

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downloadable format if you're jumping on

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a flight jumping in a car

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wherever you are be a superstar and

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listen to us we appreciate it

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and i say us because it's about us

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not just me it's about the listeners too

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because you guys

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actually give me a lot of ideas that i

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wouldn't come up with

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my own so i appreciate that

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without further ado jeremy mcgowan

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welcome

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to the hero paranormal podcast well hey

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cool we're finally talking this is

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amazing

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and i'm i'm just fascinated by

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gosh so much going on the not just the

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stuff with unidentified

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but you know that's fascinating in and

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of itself

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but uh the sky hub things there's

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there's so many directions we can go

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uh mr mcgowan let me let me just start

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by having you

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kind of tell our listeners a little bit

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about yourself how you found yourself in

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this position it's not something you

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ran after or looked after and and just

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how this all came about yeah man and and

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you're right there are so many facets to

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this it's

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it's pretty i'm still wrapping my head

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around everything i i don't

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know what direction i'm going to go in

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i i sure as hell know where i came from

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um and i do want to give a shout out to

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sean cahill who has uh

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has developed well he and i have

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developed a very very strong friendship

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over the past

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several months and i think that the

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directionality that i'm heading in

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is being severely influenced by sean

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but as a little bit of a background

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and i've told the story multiple times

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so i don't know if you want to go into

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the story itself or just kind of

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the ancillary stuff before and and after

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enduring but

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uh back in 1995 when i was in the air

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force i was deployed to

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jordan and i had a sighting

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when i was on duty in jordan

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and i kind of had put it out of my head

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well i didn't really put it out of my

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head i just didn't do anything with it

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for about 24-25 years

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and then through a series of very

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strange coincidences and events

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i ended up contacting ttsa

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could help me track down some other

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people that were on that deployment with

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i wanted my personal memory validated

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and the guys on reddit had told me about

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the tv show

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and to uh to reach out to ttsa and see

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if they could do anything

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and that's exactly what i did and i

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ended up on the show

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i ended up on season two episode three

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telling my story about what i had seen

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in jordan

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but it was it was never with intention

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i'd i'd never

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wanted to go down that rabbit hole i

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never wanted that 15 minutes

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i just wanted personal validation and

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stuff and

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and ever since then it's just been man

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it's been a wild ride

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since that show and

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um you you got some personal validation

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by just by coincidence because

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they if i'm not mistaken and i could be

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going out a little bit further than i

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should because i know a lot of these

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are well i mean you were on a mission

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and this was corroborated if i'm not

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mistaken correct

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well there wasn't necessarily another

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witness directly to

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what had happened in a nutshell and i

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sighting and everything but

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during the vetting process anthony lapp

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and of course lou elizondo uh

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being with ttsa in the show before you

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even make it to lou

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you have to jump through so many hoops

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and they verify

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your dd214s they want to make sure that

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you weren't

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discharged on a psycho val they compare

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you know if like for me i said hey i was

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in jordan in 1995

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they go back through your military

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records and look at your travel orders

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hey yeah you were in jordan in 1995

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so they they cross reference absolutely

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everything

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and then the the basic general gist of

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the story was that i was guarding this

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unmarked crate in the middle of the

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desert that

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going fast forwarding a lot i i had a

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personal reason to believe

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that that crate contained a nuclear

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device

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and apparently lou had done a lot of

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investigation behind the scenes and he

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had come to the exact same conclusion

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that there was in fact a recovered

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loosely

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but there was a recovered russian ss-24

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inside that crate which is capable of

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housing

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10 separate nuclear warheads on this

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thing

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um and he had come to that conclusion

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independently and verified my suspicions

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that i had had for

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you know almost 24 years that that was

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one of the reasons

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that the sighting that i had uh

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was was so interesting because

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this is a nuclear device separate from

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anything else i mean we're out in the

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nowhere and uh in this uap

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ufo phenomenon whatever you want to call

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it

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uh was apparently able to

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and it really seems that

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and first of all thank you for your

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service i i should have said that

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already because

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not only you know you are

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like you said in the middle of nowhere

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literally guarding something that could

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change the world as we know it

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and you have these these the the this

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almost as if these

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objects are interested in energy itself

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and the component of you know the

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possibility that that energy could

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compromise who knows what it is

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of interest to them or i i don't know

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it's hard to theorize but it's

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i believe that an

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unidentified made a very good case for

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this uh

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that there is a component of the uap

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phenomena that seems to be tracking

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nuclear devices yeah yeah i

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any man any idea that i come up with

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is is just pure speculation i'm i'm not

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a physicist i'm

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i'm not an expert in quantum mechanics i

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don't know if the experts in quantum

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mechanics are actually experts in it

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but if you

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if you accept the potential

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that the uap phenomenon could be

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associated with

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uh alternate realities or different

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dimensions and things like that

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and then understand a little bit about

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the ideas

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in quantum entanglement and where a

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specific action or a specific particle

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uh could be attached to another particle

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at massive distances away

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uh and an effect on one could have an

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effect on on another

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and if that holds true across dimensions

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and across

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boundaries there could be the potential

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that

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nuclear explosions in our version of

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this reality

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have some sort of effect

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on another reality where these uaps may

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be coming from

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and it may be in their interest

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that uh that we're not detonating them

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anymore

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yeah i think that's uh a key that's a

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good thing

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because there was a while there where it

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sure seemed like there was a lot of

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detonations taking place

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and i don't know if that's a good thing

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for anybody

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very interestingly your story

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can you take us to the actual sighting i

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mean just take us there you're in the

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middle of well

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actually just take us to before even and

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uh the

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maybe maybe even the thoughts that went

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through your mind on this particular

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mission yeah yeah so

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you know it's interesting because i i

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went through about an hour and a half

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long interview almost two hours

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uh for the the show unidentified and

349
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they did a really good job of

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maintaining the story

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but there was a lot left on the cutting

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room floor so

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i appreciate the opportunity to uh to

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kind of go back into a lot of that

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detail

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but at this point in time i had been

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serving for several years this was 1995.

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and you got to keep in mind that you

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know only

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only four to five years prior to this

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was the collapse of the soviet union

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so the cold war had just basically ended

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not confusion but there's a lot of a lot

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of issues

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surrounding the fall of the soviet

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empire and and the rise of different

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nation states and

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and all sorts of things like that so we

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were still on heightened alert

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uh you know our b2 bombers right now b1

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bombers and everything we're uh b-52s

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and

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everything we're still on active status

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because

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we were still in that mindset that you

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know we were 30 seconds away from global

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nuclear conflict

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and that's how we trained and

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i was very accustomed to getting phone

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calls that said hey get your bag packed

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you got 24 hours to be on no notice

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deployment

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i was with a unit that was that's what

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we did we had

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rapid rapid deployments and for the most

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time

387
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i was attached to jsoc which is the

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joint special operations command

389
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now i was not myself special forces i

390
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was support

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for special forces i provided uh

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close then defense for deployed units

393
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uh whether it be the the green berets or

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uh the rangers or

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other entities in and out of

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of jsoc we would we would typically go

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where they went

398
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but we wouldn't go as deep as they went

399
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and we would kind of provide

400
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airbase defense for them when they were

401
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further out wherever they were doing

402
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whatever it is that they do

403
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um so like normal this began like like

404
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anything else

405
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uh get a phone call that says hey you

406
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got you got 12 hours to

407
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to be on board with this aircraft and

408
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we're not telling you where you're going

409
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to go

410
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until you're airborne like okay so

411
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standard pack and

412
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grab my bag and head out and

413
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i think there's nine other people from

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my unit that got deployed with me and we

415
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first fly to dover

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air force base in delaware and we

417
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transfer over to another aircraft in

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dover

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and uh the only thing that we were told

420
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at that point is we were going to be

421
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heading out to the middle east

422
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and they didn't tell us anything else

423
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until we were probably about three

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quarters away across the pond

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and before we started uh our descent

426
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they told us that we were heading into

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jordan

428
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you're like okay that was weirdness

429
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number one

430
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because you know i had i had by that

431
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time i had already been in kuwait and i

432
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had been

433
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uh in in taipei

434
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cars in the uae and all over uh saudi

435
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arabia during desert storm

436
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and was very familiar with the vast

437
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majority of the middle east having

438
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spent a lot of time over there but never

439
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once never once had i even

440
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thought about the country of jordan much

441
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less stepped foot in it there was no

442
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reason to yet

443
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so when we got there it was immediately

444
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different

445
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we were told primarily that this was an

446
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exercise

447
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but i didn't buy it from from the onset

448
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and

449
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it was it was evident that this was not

450
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an exercise

451
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this was this was a real world

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deployment because you know in exercises

453
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we're wearing miles gear which is like

454
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the

455
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advanced military version of laser tag

456
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and we use blanks and things like that

457
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and i

458
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i had a full combat load we were armed

459
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to the teeth

460
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,919
there was no blank adapters there was no

461
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miles gear there was no

462
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white hat safety inspectors walking

463
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around this was

464
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this is the real deal and uh

465
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my team got there and then one of the

466
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things that

467
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that occurred right off the bat that i

468
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was like whoa this is this is not normal

469
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:49,280
my team got broken up we were not

470
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working with the people that we traveled

471
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with

472
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which is odd because when you're in a

473
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when you're in a deployment man i mean

474
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these these are the guys from my unit

475
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,520
right so i knew them i knew what their

476
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:01,120
behavior was like i knew what their

477
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,840
capabilities were i you know i knew the

478
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,840
guy that i wanted in my foxhole or

479
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and he knew what my capabilities were

480
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because we work fight and train together

481
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and the next thing i know i don't see

482
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:14,000
him anymore and we're all split up and

483
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i've got

484
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,720
no idea who the guy is that i'm

485
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,320
assigned on post with which is one of

486
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:21,919
the reasons i went on reddit

487
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,679
to see if i could track this dude down

488
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:25,280
because i couldn't remember him i can't

489
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:26,240
remember his face

490
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you know and it was just weird to me

491
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that

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and i got on post and uh i ended up

493
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working

494
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uh graveshift which i think was oh

495
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basically you know

496
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7 p.m to 7 a.m 12 hour shifts

497
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and uh i don't know for your listeners

498
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:47,200
that have never been into the desert

499
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it is i mean there's no clouds it's just

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dark and stars there's no there's

501
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:55,520
nothing to obscure

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your sight and you can see man you can

503
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see

504
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:02,720
forever at night

505
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and uh i i used to smoke

506
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back then i was i was probably a

507
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two-pack a day smoker

508
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and of course you can't do that while

509
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:15,360
you're on post

510
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but well i'll come back to that because

511
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when we sorry when we uh

512
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when when i get on post it was very

513
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different it was it was very obvious

514
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that this was not a

515
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normal situation because any time that

516
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you get

517
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you're you're told to guard something

518
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that you have written rules written

519
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regulations that you have in a little

520
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three-ring binder

521
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sounds stupid but you know the rules of

522
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engagements are there and they tell you

523
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this is when you can use deadly force

524
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this is when you can't use deadly force

525
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:51,600
this is your patrol zone don't go more

526
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than

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30 meters away from this you know these

528
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are your

529
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these are the badges that authorized

530
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,480
personnel

531
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,240
are going to be carrying to identify

532
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,320
who's supposed to come in and come out

533
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,919
you know everything you're supposed to

534
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,400
do and man in this circumstance there

535
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,000
was none of that

536
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,880
that did not exist and i can't remember

537
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,720
it was a captain or a major or whomever

538
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:14,799
but uh but told me

539
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,159
told me to uh what my rules of

540
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,080
engagements were

541
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,720
and uh he basically said see this crate

542
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:23,840
i was like yeah

543
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,440
it's big-ass wooden crate giant crate

544
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:29,840
you guys all right don't get near it

545
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:32,240
don't let anybody else near it

546
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:35,600
like okay what do i do if people get

547
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:36,240
near it

548
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,520
like okay i get that part but what

549
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,120
happens if somebody gets near it

550
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:44,640
he's like shoot them oh

551
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,840
okay that's fairly serious

552
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,520
you know we don't typically shoot people

553
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,360
especially in the middle of an exercise

554
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:53,760
just for getting near something

555
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,600
so that was that was red flag number two

556
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,000
you know immediate use of deadly force

557
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,440
just for somebody getting near this

558
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:04,960
giant ass wooden crate with no

559
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,240
nomenclature on it right

560
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:11,280
and uh of course when you're i forget

561
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,159
how old i was i'm

562
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,360
24 25 years old you know i think at the

563
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,200
time i was probably an e3

564
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,080
pretty low rank at the time and there's

565
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,799
very little supervision out there

566
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,720
it was just me and another another guy

567
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,400
that i like i said i don't remember who

568
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,000
he was

569
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,559
and uh when you're told not to get near

570
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,440
something

571
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,080
and you're told you're not told why you

572
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:36,559
get curious about it right

573
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,400
so uh hell man i got near it i stood on

574
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:42,080
it i sat on it i laid down on it i

575
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,440
pissed on it

576
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,760
um did just about everything that i was

577
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,640
told not to do

578
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,679
on this crate and uh

579
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,720
going back to the point where i said i

580
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,720
was about a two pack a day smoker of

581
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,480
course i want a cigarette every 15

582
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,360
minutes

583
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,200
and you can't smoke when you're on post

584
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,039
because it just gives your position away

585
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:01,200
that just the cherry on that cigarette

586
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,559
you know a pair of night vision goggles

587
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,840
and enemy hands they can see you from

588
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,760
like a mile and a half away and

589
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:07,200
i didn't really want to get shot in the

590
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,799
face so

591
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,039
i would literally walk away from my

592
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,960
assigned post and climb up on a sand

593
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,679
dune

594
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,080
where i could still pretty much see what

595
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,440
it was that i needed to see

596
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:20,240
but i wasn't anywhere close to my my

597
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,919
required responsibilities and i'd sit up

598
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,520
there on that sand dune and i'd

599
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,120
i'd smoke my cigarette and then when i

600
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,520
was done i'd go back and uh

601
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:28,880
and walk back over to where i'm supposed

602
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,919
to be and uh

603
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,840
the guy that i was that i was posted

604
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,440
with he would go out there with me every

605
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:37,120
now and then

606
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,000
and on the night that i saw what i saw

607
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,440
it was just it was like i said it was a

608
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:45,200
cloudless night

609
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,440
perfectly beautiful outside no

610
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,200
i climbed up on the sand dune and i kind

611
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,120
of laid down and

612
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,360
smoking a cigarette and he came over and

613
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,480
he copped a squat beside me

614
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:01,120
and uh he's smoking as well i just got

615
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,080
really bored

616
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:04,640
and i took my night vision goggles out

617
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:05,520
and i

618
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:10,159
i just started looking up at the sky

619
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,600
and i don't i don't know if you've ever

620
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,919
worn nvgs or if any of your listeners

621
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,679
have ever looked through them but

622
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,480
as many thousands of stars as you can

623
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,559
see without them

624
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:23,279
multiply that by another million when

625
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:24,480
you're looking

626
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,000
with them and the cosmos just

627
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,440
opens up you can see

628
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,480
everything man i mean you're

629
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:36,240
you can see star constellations and

630
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:37,840
patterns that you did not even know

631
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:41,440
existed um

632
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,320
and i'm just i'm fascinated i'm just

633
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,080
mesmerized by by

634
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,679
looking at everything and then uh

635
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,240
then i saw what i saw and it it freaked

636
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,840
me the hell out

637
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,679
um when you're looking through these

638
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,760
these nvgs you know these are old ones

639
00:25:03,269 --> 00:24:59,520
because this is back in the

640
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,279
you know the the early 90s mid 90s

641
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,000
i think these were the old a and b pvs 7

642
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:07,600
bravos

643
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:10,960
they were up to the 14s now i think

644
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:13,919
so seven generations later but you had

645
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,400
about a 40 degree field of view

646
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,919
but when you're on the surface of the

647
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:20,240
earth looking up at the the universe 40

648
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:21,039
degrees still

649
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,120
spans a lot of space right

650
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:27,039
and basically what i saw is i saw a

651
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,159
pinpoint of light

652
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,799
come from behind me because keep in mind

653
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:32,159
i'm lying on my back

654
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,440
so i'm looking straight up and i see a

655
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,200
pinpoint of light that comes

656
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,919
from my six o'clock position and then

657
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,360
goes up to my top dead

658
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:44,400
center and then makes a 90 degree angle

659
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:47,760
and shoots off uh to my left to my uh

660
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,440
my nine o'clock in the first time i saw

661
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,960
it i was like

662
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,880
time to change the batteries the imaging

663
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,000
tubes taking a dump

664
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,760
so they uh they ran on i think it was

665
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,080
cr124 batteries or something like that

666
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,159
so i swapped out the batteries and i saw

667
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,279
it again

668
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,600
i'm like okay not the battery imaging

669
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,520
tube has dust in it

670
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,039
so i'm laying there and i take the the

671
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,640
imaging tube apart and

672
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,520
blow on it a couple times and slap it

673
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:16,640
back together

674
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,919
look back up and see it again

675
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:22,559
and i keep seeing it over and over and

676
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:23,360
over again

677
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,559
same pattern same thing it just

678
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:29,360
flies from my six o'clock top dead

679
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,080
center

680
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,679
shoots off to the left and this is

681
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:33,600
horizon to horizon man

682
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,120
and it's happening repeatedly in under

683
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,880
two seconds

684
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,360
so i just take my nods off i give them

685
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,480
to the guy

686
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,919
that's out there with me and he's like

687
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,520
what and i was like just look

688
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,960
he's like what am i looking for i was

689
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:49,840
like just look

690
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:53,360
and he puts them on and it was a couple

691
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,799
well probably about a minute or so it

692
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,039
goes by and he doesn't do anything and

693
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,760
i'm like [\h__\h] he's not seeing what i saw

694
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,440
and the next thing i said oh i saw his

695
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,360
head track i saw his head

696
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,600
bound down and then swing off to the

697
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:06,880
left and i'm like yep

698
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:09,840
he saw it he took the night vision

699
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,640
goggles off

700
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,320
he handed them back to me he lit a

701
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,480
cigarette and then he walked off

702
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,240
he did not mention it he did not say

703
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:18,159
anything about it he just handed them

704
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,120
back to me and

705
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,520
walked off and he and i never said

706
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,480
anything

707
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,679
about it again and of course

708
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,600
because i had walked off post to go get

709
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,200
a cigarette i couldn't tell anybody

710
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,720
about it i couldn't go into the command

711
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,559
post tent and say hey major uh

712
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,159
you know when i was 100 meters away from

713
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,840
my assigned position i saw something

714
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,640
that

715
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:38,080
i shouldn't have seen because i was

716
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,440
smoking where i wasn't supposed to be

717
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,880
smoking and doing something that i was

718
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,320
told not to do so

719
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,799
i couldn't say it to anybody i couldn't

720
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:46,559
tell anybody about it

721
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,559
and uh all i know is that it's not an

722
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:51,679
aircraft

723
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,640
night vision goggles you can see the

724
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:00,320
strobe lights you can see the wing tips

725
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:01,360
you can see

726
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,640
compartments because with the night

727
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:06,080
vision goggles that's what it does it

728
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:06,960
amplifies

729
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,200
light and even if we're talking 30 40

730
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,880
000 feet up you're going to see an

731
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,760
aircraft

732
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:15,840
with night fishing goggles especially

733
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,640
when there's no clouds

734
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,799
you're going to see satellites and i did

735
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:22,720
see satellites

736
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,159
in in very slow orbital smooth

737
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:28,880
paths and patterns that don't change

738
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,789
this was not an aircraft it was not

739
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,799
a satellite it was something that would

740
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,880
be able to traverse

741
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,440
from one horizon to the other horizon

742
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,279
with a 90 degree turn in the middle

743
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:47,440
breaking the laws of the conservation of

744
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:48,559
momentum

745
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,520
in under two seconds we're talking

746
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:51,760
hypersonic

747
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,760
velocities uh we don't have that

748
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,799
we just simply don't have that

749
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:00,640
and when i was when i was doing the

750
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,159
interview for unidentified i recounted

751
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,279
that exact same story and

752
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,320
it kind of creeped me out because lou

753
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,039
lou looked at me at the end of my my

754
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:14,880
testimony and he said

755
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,159
jeremy do you do you think it was

756
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:21,360
one craft repeating the pattern or do

757
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,240
you think it was

758
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,120
multiple craft following the same

759
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,600
pattern

760
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,080
and that freaked me the hell out because

761
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,679
until that point i had

762
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:34,720
never even considered the possibility

763
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,950
and since that day on unidentified i've

764
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,840
i've maintained a friendship with lou

765
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,440
and i've developed a friendship with

766
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:49,120
sean

767
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,880
and it had never been my intention to

768
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,559
climb down the rabbit hole i

769
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,600
just wanted a personal validation

770
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,919
i wanted to find that other guy and have

771
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,640
him

772
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,840
tell me that he saw what i saw

773
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,919
and that was going to be the end of it

774
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:08,159
but holy crap have i opened up a can of

775
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,120
worms

776
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:11,120
and i am i am now in a place that i

777
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,110
it's it's an interesting place that

778
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:18,880
you're in because

779
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:21,440
well i think these things are meant to

780
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,080
be in a way

781
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,399
at least it seems that way when you're

782
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,320
dealing with uap and that sounds

783
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,799
super crazy like half the people i know

784
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,240
think i'm crazy

785
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,440
and it's because once you start talking

786
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,200
about these things

787
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:38,000
it uh you're just cater categorized into

788
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,200
a section of

789
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:41,039
society that it's like don't pay

790
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:42,480
attention to them

791
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:45,760
yet lou is somebody who i've met

792
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:48,640
quality individual his word is his bond

793
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,279
and

794
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,600
it's something you can take to the bank

795
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:53,440
and um

796
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:58,399
you know you're a desert storm veteran

797
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,320
you were involved with very

798
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:04,960
intricate missions possibly within

799
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,440
inches

800
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,559
it sounds like maybe closer to an ss24

801
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:10,240
nuclear warhead

802
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,320
and you know this is exactly

803
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,240
you guys are exactly the kind of people

804
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:18,080
that we need to protect

805
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:19,600
us from this sort of thing because who

806
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:21,760
knows what hands if that is

807
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,640
in fact what it is or was what hands

808
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:27,039
that may have possibly gotten into

809
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,640
but the wording is very difficult in

810
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,720
these scenarios because once you

811
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,440
mention uap involved with anything and

812
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,080
it can be a top secret mission it can be

813
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,519
uh u.s war games systems it can be

814
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,120
anything you want to mention

815
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:46,159
you you mention ufo uap or something in

816
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,799
the sky

817
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,919
and people just just close off have you

818
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:50,480
noticed

819
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:53,840
any of that uh since since you were on

820
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,440
unidentified uh

821
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,640
yeah and to be honest with you i i'm

822
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,080
guilty of it

823
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,000
um man i saw something

824
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,760
i'm not going to say that i experienced

825
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,600
anything because

826
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,480
i didn't experience anything i i

827
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:13,519
witnessed

828
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:22,070
but i grew up with that stigma

829
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,000
i i matured in the military

830
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:29,279
and the way that the military treated

831
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,000
people who

832
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,440
mentioned ufos whether they be pilots or

833
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,720
whether they be

834
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,679
uh missile techs or whomever it happened

835
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,760
to be that said hey i saw a ufo i mean

836
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,360
you know you didn't see those guys again

837
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:43,679
or they went they went to the hospital

838
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,240
and

839
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:46,399
you know when they came back they they

840
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,029
so to this day

841
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:57,840
when somebody tells me that they've had

842
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,640
an experience or they've seen something

843
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:03,679
my default personal position

844
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:07,200
is super skeptical and what the hell is

845
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:08,840
wrong with you

846
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,799
right you know if somebody tells me that

847
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,720
they were driving down a country road at

848
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,320
11 o'clock at night and the black

849
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,399
triangle hovered over top of them and

850
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,559
their radio turned off and they lost two

851
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:21,840
hours and

852
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:25,519
i'm like what were you smoking

853
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,360
were you drinking mushroom tea and

854
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:30,799
how many other lies have you told

855
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,279
throughout the course of your your life

856
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:36,080
i default immediately to the negative

857
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,279
connotations of

858
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,960
this is impossible and i don't believe

859
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,440
you um

860
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,320
and i should not do that because i'm in

861
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,159
that world now

862
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,240
you know i've never been abducted i've

863
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:49,840
never had any

864
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:53,600
ce5 types of experiences

865
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:56,720
but what i saw should tell me that

866
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,399
anything else is possible but i'm still

867
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:03,039
defaulting to that

868
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,360
what is wrong with you mentality

869
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,359
and there's nothing wrong with that i do

870
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:11,440
the same thing and and this is sort of

871
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,240
what i do

872
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,159
that gets a passion of mine and yet

873
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:16,879
still you know i would say 90

874
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,119
of the well i won't get into it but yeah

875
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:24,079
the the the people throwing stuff uh up

876
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,720
in the air

877
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,119
and and claiming what they're seeing is

878
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:28,879
something that it may not be

879
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:31,280
um or or maybe misidentifying things

880
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,639
which is very common

881
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,159
we're really talk i mean that's what i

882
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,000
love about unidentified and

883
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:38,240
unidentified aerial phenomena is we

884
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:39,040
don't know

885
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,079
what it is and yeah this is

886
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,960
this is this is a matter of national

887
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:45,919
security

888
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,359
and i believe that

889
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:52,560
luckily for for that luckily for that

890
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,079
the the entire ufo uap culture is

891
00:35:03,270 --> 00:34:59,680
changing because

892
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:03,280
military involvement and that human

893
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,280
element to that is corroborating

894
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:09,440
things that in the past there was

895
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,480
literally just

896
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,839
a just a brick wall you you couldn't

897
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,280
there's no communication have you

898
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,520
noticed a lot of that changing

899
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,400
yeah yeah there's there's a tremendous

900
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:22,400
amount

901
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:29,190
a reduction in in the negative

902
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:30,079
connotations

903
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:38,790
it's not gone i don't know if it'll ever

904
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:39,440
be gone

905
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,359
because i think at the same time that

906
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,640
people are getting to be more

907
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,880
comfortable with their abilities to to

908
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,440
come forward and talk about it

909
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,240
there are people who just simply want

910
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,119
their 15 minutes and they don't care

911
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,520
what [\h__\h] sorry that they make up

912
00:36:03,430 --> 00:35:59,040
for this

913
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,710
we're still we're we are always going to

914
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,480
be faced

915
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,040
with the guy wearing the wife beater

916
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,800
chain smoking newport standing out

917
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,240
behind the trailer

918
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,480
in his mama's trailer court in southern

919
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:17,760
georgia saying

920
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,599
he had an anal probe that is going to be

921
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:24,000
a personality type that we will forever

922
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:24,960
contend with

923
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:28,720
that reduces the credibility of

924
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:35,829
and it's sad because

925
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:40,000
there's no reason there's no legitimate

926
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,079
reason for people to do that um

927
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:46,079
i think if you spend enough time looking

928
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,680
you're going to see something regardless

929
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,000
you don't need to make it up

930
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:53,200
that's exactly right i agree with you

931
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,000
100

932
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:57,200
that uh without it's not a matter of

933
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,800
if but when and like that i mean

934
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:03,359
your experience in the deserts of jordan

935
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,720
that just kind of takes you there

936
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,880
because that's exactly the kind of place

937
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,800
that you would perfectly envision

938
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,280
something like this being more obvious

939
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,119
and readily visible than

940
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,040
near a city with ambient light i mean

941
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,440
some of this stuff could be taking place

942
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,480
all the time and we have no idea the

943
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,720
interesting thing about the nuclear

944
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:23,680
aspect is

945
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,960
there's a ton of evidence and i mean a

946
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,040
ton and this is a rabbit hole that i

947
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,119
have not wanted to look down

948
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,160
i find other rabbit holes more appealing

949
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,760
if you want to call it that but it's one

950
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,760
that cannot be denied the

951
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:40,240
the nuclear aspect we have major

952
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:41,520
countries

953
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,720
all corroborating that uh

954
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,280
systems weapon systems are being being

955
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:49,119
checked and analyzed and shut off and

956
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,000
turned on and

957
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,760
all kinds of stuff there

958
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:56,400
there's there's something to it i i

959
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:56,960
don't

960
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:00,480
know what it is and thanks to sean

961
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,400
who is probably one of the most stand-up

962
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,480
people that i've that i've ever met uh

963
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,079
inside or outside of this

964
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:11,520
this arena um sean and i have had

965
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,280
god we've had hours and hours and hours

966
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,800
of conversations

967
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:20,160
uh about this and about the phenomenon

968
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:21,280
in general and just

969
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:25,200
about things but i've started

970
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:29,040
down the road of how we're talking right

971
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,400
now about the uh

972
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,320
the relationship between the nuclear

973
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:34,880
aspect and the uap phenomenon

974
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,000
sean and i have have really tilted the

975
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:41,200
conversation to the consciousness aspect

976
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:45,119
in the uap phenomena and

977
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:48,560
i'm beginning to wonder

978
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:52,079
if the nuclear aspect

979
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,000
is tied to the consciousness aspect

980
00:39:04,630 --> 00:38:59,280
just because of the capabilities of

981
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:04,640
mass destruction that the nukes possess

982
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,320
yeah i think that's

983
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:10,480
that's a good uh that's a good analogy

984
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,520
because

985
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,920
that's more the appealing area that i

986
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,839
like to go down is the consciousness

987
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:16,800
aspect because

988
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,720
it does appear that uh there's

989
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:23,280
a lot of evidence for the consciousness

990
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,000
aspect

991
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:27,119
and what what exactly they're trying to

992
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,240
do or

993
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:30,640
what they're trying to keep us from

994
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:31,520
doing

995
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,640
it's it's very difficult to tell and you

996
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,280
know

997
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,520
when you have that that oddball wrench

998
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,560
of the guy

999
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,359
getting probed calling in constantly it

1000
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,000
makes things

1001
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,640
difficult not to take away from you know

1002
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:46,160
there's mental illness there's

1003
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,440
actual abduction cases and and and

1004
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,040
you know sure through the right prism

1005
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,520
of view it might be the same elephant in

1006
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,560
the room but it's

1007
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,280
nowhere near the same uh thing that

1008
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,960
we're looking at discussing or talking

1009
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,079
about and

1010
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,400
it makes it very difficult because you

1011
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,000
know people want answers they want

1012
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:08,000
disclosure

1013
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,359
and my fear is

1014
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,240
uh that already the little bit of

1015
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:15,760
disclosure we've had

1016
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,079
you have people that are abandoning all

1017
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,720
more of those people that we were just

1018
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:24,079
discussing are showing up in the

1019
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,520
woodwork but

1020
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:28,240
there's uh there's there's a legitimacy

1021
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:29,440
to it too

1022
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,119
yeah we're not to the point

1023
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,040
where you can stop paying your mortgage

1024
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,040
and stop brushing your teeth and

1025
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:39,280
and you know stop doing your daily

1026
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:40,880
routine we are

1027
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,240
still in our definition humans

1028
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:47,040
with a daily life regardless of what we

1029
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,480
believe

1030
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,200
may be the answer to this you can't just

1031
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:53,119
become the fisher king

1032
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,109
so until we have a good

1033
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,160
understanding and a good handle on the

1034
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,440
relationship between

1035
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,599
between consciousness and the uap

1036
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,040
phenomenon

1037
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,160
we can't separate ourselves from what

1038
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,079
we've been doing for the last

1039
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:17,040
150 000 years you know we've got to

1040
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,280
continue pushing forward as humanity

1041
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,839
in our definition of of what humanity is

1042
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,560
now

1043
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,400
at the same time we may be in the

1044
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:28,960
process of changing that definition

1045
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,480
we may be in the process of accepting

1046
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:36,240
that uh humanity means a lot more

1047
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,440
than just us in

1048
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,640
flesh and bone uh but we're not there

1049
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:44,000
yet

1050
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,680
yeah great stuff and i wanna

1051
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,160
not totally jump ship because it's such

1052
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:52,880
a great conversation but i cannot get

1053
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,400
through the podcast and not uh mention

1054
00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:58,319
not only your awesome vehicle because

1055
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,640
i'm a land rover fan and kind of a

1056
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,040
but uh i i want to also mention what

1057
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,560
you're doing with it what you're bolting

1058
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:08,400
to it and what your plans are for it can

1059
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,640
we

1060
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,599
discuss that a bit yeah absolutely

1061
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,960
absolutely i appreciate you bringing

1062
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,000
that up in

1063
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:17,760
um so i was on uh

1064
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,200
another podcast uh with andrew hall

1065
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,160
it was called dead hand radio and we

1066
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,839
were discussing uh

1067
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,680
a lot of different things and i believe

1068
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,640
andrew had asked me what i would be

1069
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,079
doing

1070
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,800
if if i could control the narrative on

1071
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,800
the uap phenomenon or something to that

1072
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,839
aspect

1073
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,599
and i i basically told her i was like

1074
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,359
man we need standardization

1075
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,319
of information collection you know

1076
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:45,599
everybody has

1077
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:49,280
a cell phone and it's a nokia or a hue

1078
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,760
way

1079
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,720
or an iphone or an android or whatever

1080
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,240
it is and they all have different camera

1081
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,880
systems and different processors and

1082
00:43:03,430 --> 00:42:59,920
uh you know horizontal and vertical

1083
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:03,440
and it's just different

1084
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,800
and they're not designed to collect the

1085
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:08,319
evidence that we're attempting to

1086
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:08,880
collect

1087
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,079
with them right so yes all

1088
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,480
ufo pictures are looking like a giant

1089
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:15,599
cheese puff

1090
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,200
a mile away and they just look like butt

1091
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,520
so what i would have done is i would

1092
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:22,800
have created

1093
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,119
some sort of equipment that would have

1094
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:27,520
been able to be accessible by everyone

1095
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,079
that is

1096
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,280
built in a standardized method with with

1097
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:34,560
a specific specific purpose to it

1098
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:38,079
that would eliminate variables in data

1099
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,200
collection

1100
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,800
and he told me at that moment he was

1101
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,920
like you know there's there's an

1102
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:43,359
organization out there

1103
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,040
called sky hub and it's literally

1104
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,520
skyhub.org

1105
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,520
org for the people that are listening

1106
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,680
that want to check it out

1107
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,760
and what they've done is there's a guy

1108
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:56,240
by the name of steve mcdaniels

1109
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,400
who has built a sensor stack

1110
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,640
and we're talking everything from

1111
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:04,880
multi-spectral imaging to

1112
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:09,280
weather telemetry to adsb information to

1113
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,119
uh gps's and accelerometers and rf

1114
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:15,440
measurement and uh electrostatic

1115
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,160
management

1116
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,720
it's a it's a box it's like a suitcase

1117
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:20,960
with every sensor that you can possibly

1118
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:21,599
think of it

1119
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,119
in there plus video uh recording with

1120
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:27,359
with ptz type of cameras and hunt and

1121
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,359
360 degree fisheye cameras and

1122
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,440
you can't deploy it without capturing

1123
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,359
something and the idea behind this

1124
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,640
is that it will record and monitor

1125
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,880
everything within the field of view or

1126
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:43,760
within the sensor range of this box

1127
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:46,880
and it will then feed that data stream

1128
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,079
into an ai and the ai

1129
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:52,240
will go back through this data and we'll

1130
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,440
be like nope

1131
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,200
that's a bird and i can tell you that

1132
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:57,119
not only it's a bird it's a barn swallow

1133
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,920
and it's a

1134
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,760
you know a south african swallow

1135
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,520
carrying coconuts and here's the air

1136
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,880
speed velocity or

1137
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:05,280
that was not only an aircraft but based

1138
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:06,079
on the

1139
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,280
that was this aircraft with this call

1140
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,280
sign heading from here to here and it

1141
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:14,880
will identify

1142
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,319
all the knowns and filter them out

1143
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,599
and only leave you with the unknowns

1144
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,920
and then be able to provide those

1145
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,280
unknowns

1146
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:28,480
to the world at large to academia to

1147
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:29,280
research to

1148
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,319
industry unfettered access for

1149
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,440
everybody to look at and say this is

1150
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:38,880
unedited this is unidentified

1151
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,240
please help us research these

1152
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:49,030
so that's sky hub and

1153
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:53,280
i became enthralled with the idea

1154
00:46:02,950 --> 00:45:58,240
of sky hub because witnesses

1155
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:02,960
are wrong probably 90 of the time

1156
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:05,680
i was in law enforcement for 12 years

1157
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,480
and if you interview a witness

1158
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,240
you can take about 10 percent of their

1159
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,800
testimony as being accurate but it's up

1160
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,599
to you as the investigator to identify

1161
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,640
which 10 percent of their 100 of

1162
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,359
testimony

1163
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,400
is actually accurate

1164
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,680
with sky hub you don't have to do that

1165
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:28,880
because if i see something and

1166
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,319
i've got sky hub that is validating and

1167
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,000
backing it up

1168
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,160
you know i'm going to be able to say it

1169
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,760
hovered over my house

1170
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,440
for eight and a half minutes and it

1171
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:41,520
glowed orange and i could see windows on

1172
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:42,160
it

1173
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:51,680
move more than eight pixels left or

1174
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,400
right

1175
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,240
and i mean it can get down to the

1176
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:57,040
nitty-gritty on this and validate

1177
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,880
or prove that i was full of crap

1178
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,440
and that's why i love the idea of skyhub

1179
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,440
because it doesn't care about

1180
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:07,839
your mental state or your feelings it

1181
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,680
simply reports and records data

1182
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,000
so when i learned about skyhub and i i

1183
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:15,839
wanted to take it a step further

1184
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,280
and i wanted to make this mobile and uh

1185
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,040
and i like like you were saying i've got

1186
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:23,040
an old land rover

1187
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:26,559
it's a land rover discovery too

1188
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,839
and and very very capable over landing

1189
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:32,640
vehicle this thing can go

1190
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,990
and living out here in nevada uh in las

1191
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:41,760
vegas i have access

1192
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,480
150 miles to the backyard of area 51

1193
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,599
tone and paws

1194
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:48,319
is 80 90 miles away from me uh papoose

1195
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,280
lake is

1196
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,599
is not accessible but i know where it is

1197
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,440
i've got crete air force base i've got

1198
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,880
indian springs where

1199
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,960
most of the drones around the world are

1200
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,960
are launched and flown from

1201
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,599
i've got death valley california right

1202
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,920
down the road and i wanted a sky hub

1203
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,440
unit on the top

1204
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,599
of my land rover so i could go to all

1205
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:08,800
these places

1206
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,400
and just sit and and do these recording

1207
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:13,520
sessions and see

1208
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:17,119
what i can pick up and uh

1209
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,319
it's expensive it's not cheap

1210
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,319
skyhub does not sell the units they give

1211
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,079
you an itemized listing of everything

1212
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,079
that people need to be able to build

1213
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,599
their own

1214
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:30,400
they don't make any money off of off of

1215
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,520
anybody

1216
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:34,400
building them so they don't sell the

1217
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,119
components

1218
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,520
but they have a shopping list for it and

1219
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:39,680
what i need to do to my vehicle

1220
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,319
plus what i need to acquire to build the

1221
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,839
sky hub

1222
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,359
and the specialized components and the

1223
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,960
inverters and things like that that i

1224
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,240
need to be able to run it from my

1225
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,480
vehicle i'm looking at

1226
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,640
around three thousand dollars worth of

1227
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:54,960
an investment to make this happen

1228
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,319
and so i started a gofundme page

1229
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,319
and uh you can find it on my twitter i

1230
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:02,480
don't know what the the url is for it

1231
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,040
but

1232
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,160
i started a gofundme page a few few days

1233
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,520
ago and i think we're

1234
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:10,000
close to 400 in donations right now

1235
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,119
which will

1236
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,160
components

1237
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:16,000
uh which is the uh the processor for

1238
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:17,280
this thing

1239
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:20,480
and my my intent is to get this and

1240
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:24,400
go everywhere i can with the skyhub unit

1241
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,069
i i think that the sky hub

1242
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:35,040
technology is the greatest idea ever uh

1243
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,000
bolted onto

1244
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:39,359
the greatest vehicle ever and uh

1245
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,400
i think it's a genius idea uh steve the

1246
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,079
creator if you guys haven't checked out

1247
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:45,440
skyhub check it out

1248
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,040
it's it's amazing and i can't think of a

1249
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:50,640
better way of using it

1250
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,390
the the amazing thing is that

1251
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,800
uh and we have to get the gofundme we'll

1252
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,119
all have to list it or

1253
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,760
look it up and get it to our listeners

1254
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:07,280
before we're off

1255
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,839
but um it if i'm not mistaken it can

1256
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,319
track it

1257
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,680
the technology behind it is pretty magic

1258
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,000
i mean it can track uh uh the the amount

1259
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:19,920
of tracking involved that it can do is

1260
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:23,200
is pretty pretty amazing

1261
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,079
yeah i'm i'm not a sensor sensortech uh

1262
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,200
type of guy i don't

1263
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,880
i'm not an electronics guy i'm hell i'm

1264
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,880
not even a computer guy but

1265
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:35,359
from my understanding the sensitivity on

1266
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:36,559
this thing

1267
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,400
it the cameras uh the bass

1268
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,640
camera like the low end camera that's

1269
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,000
being put on this thing

1270
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,640
is a 12 megapixel platform camera and

1271
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:48,960
it's a fisheye so it has a huge

1272
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,920
field of view and then the general idea

1273
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:52,880
is to have a

1274
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,079
massive ptz pan tilt zoom camera

1275
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,800
on a motorized gimbal so that when the

1276
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,000
fisheye picks up

1277
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,040
something anomalous and the ai says yep

1278
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:04,720
it's not a bird it's not a

1279
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,079
it's not a moth it's not a 747 we don't

1280
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,040
know what this is based on angle and

1281
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,800
attitude and speed and elevation of

1282
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,040
flight path and behavior

1283
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:18,400
then the fisheye triggers the ptz

1284
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,480
the ptz zooms in on this thing and

1285
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,559
while everything is being measured in

1286
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,480
multi-spectral imaging and

1287
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:29,680
and rf and and uh even

1288
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,839
even uh like geophone type of uh

1289
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:37,200
vibrations we're getting

1290
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,119
visual backup of everything else that

1291
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,040
every other sensor is recording so

1292
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:46,079
nothing is separate everything is being

1293
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,119
recorded at the top

1294
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,440
same time and date stamp so you're able

1295
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,000
to go back and look at the rf

1296
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,359
based on uh the exact moment in time

1297
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,839
that the sky hub detected the unit and

1298
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:59,680
and see what the environmental changes

1299
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,000
are

1300
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,599
nothing is left out

1301
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,280
everything is everything is being

1302
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:07,839
recorded on this

1303
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,480
absolutely amazing technology the fact

1304
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:12,640
that it even exists is just mind-blowing

1305
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,520
to me

1306
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,760
and uh those areas that you're talking

1307
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,280
about hitting with the 4x4

1308
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:19,920
are exactly the kinds of areas where

1309
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,000
this stuff is not only taking place

1310
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:24,400
but it's taking place often and i see

1311
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:25,040
that

1312
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:35,839
particular skyhub unit

1313
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,280
how close you said how how how much do

1314
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,680
does it take to get the full unit did

1315
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,520
you say it's about 3 000

1316
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,240
is that about right no no it's it's

1317
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,440
probably about a

1318
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,760
thousand to eleven hundred dollars for

1319
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:51,040
the full unit

1320
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,960
but because i'm doing things differently

1321
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,599
with making it mobile i have to increase

1322
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,599
the storage capacity on this thing i

1323
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:00,880
have to

1324
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:04,720
acquire some really not heavy duty

1325
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:05,440
inverters

1326
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,200
to make sure that

1327
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,200
the electricity that's coming off of my

1328
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,760
alternator is not affecting

1329
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:16,400
the the systems on the sky hub and i've

1330
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,960
got to

1331
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,440
increase the ability for the vehicle to

1332
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,119
be grounded i'm actually

1333
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:23,359
taking uh i'm actually drilling into my

1334
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,319
frame

1335
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:27,680
and making a copper line

1336
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:30,720
with uh i think four foot long

1337
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:33,760
grounding rods so when i park in an area

1338
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:36,559
i pull this line off and i slam the rods

1339
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:38,000
into the ground and ground out the

1340
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,040
vehicle

1341
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,680
just to make sure that i'm eliminating

1342
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,319
any type of interference

1343
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:46,559
and then i have to upgrade a couple

1344
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,440
things on

1345
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:50,079
on my suspension to get into some of the

1346
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,440
places that i need to go so

1347
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,839
my cost on this is around the three

1348
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,119
thousand dollar mark

1349
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,040
if somebody wanted to build a sky hub

1350
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,960
and mount it on the roof of their house

1351
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,640
uh or their building or out in the

1352
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,240
middle of a field somewhere

1353
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,079
they'd probably be into this uh right

1354
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,800
around a grand yeah

1355
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,359
it's the coolest technology ever and i

1356
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,200
can't wait to see it on the top of your

1357
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,599
rig i think it would look so cool

1358
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:16,400
um definitely listeners if you have a

1359
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,880
chance

1360
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:19,359
go to the gofundme which i will i will

1361
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,920
list

1362
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:22,160
and mention on the end of the podcast

1363
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,280
and

1364
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,680
let's make this happen where can people

1365
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:26,880
keep up with you

1366
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:29,599
uh stay up to date with what's going on

1367
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,319
and

1368
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,640
is is there any possibility that uh

1369
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,480
there's more corroboration taking place

1370
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:36,000
with lou and sean and

1371
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,920
the bunch yeah so i'm on twitter

1372
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,440
i've created a twitter account

1373
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,240
specifically for the the ufo uap stuff i

1374
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:45,839
had a personal twitter but

1375
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,480
i try to keep everything separate

1376
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,280
just in case it becomes too weird and i

1377
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:54,640
need to pull the plug on it

1378
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:57,839
and and just continue to live my life so

1379
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,040
my twitter handle is uh jeremy j e

1380
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:04,160
r e m y underscore

1381
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:12,710
the number one uh so that's my twitter

1382
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,280
handle

1383
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,839
and uh you can you can find me on there

1384
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,359
shoot me a direct message i don't do

1385
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,119
anything on instagram

1386
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,920
um i do play around on reddit

1387
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,040
occasionally

1388
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,160
my handle on reddit is vet searcher

1389
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,000
and that was the handle that i used when

1390
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:29,920
i originally went to reddit

1391
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,160
to see if the uh the detective type

1392
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,319
people there could help me track down

1393
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,000
the other guy that was uh that was with

1394
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,680
me on the deployment and i've just used

1395
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,359
that same handle ever since that that

1396
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,960
day but that's the handle that ended up

1397
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,880
getting me on the uh the unidentified

1398
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,400
show

1399
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,400
as far as corroboration with lou and

1400
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,079
sean um

1401
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,319
i don't know that's that's up to them i

1402
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,079
talked to

1403
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:56,799
sean probably twice a week i speak with

1404
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:57,119
lou

1405
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,970
probably twice a month

1406
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,720
[Music]

1407
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,280
i don't ask to become involved in

1408
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:05,359
anything that's ttsa

1409
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,280
related uh lou knows where i am if

1410
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:12,640
if i'm needed as far as sean

1411
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:17,599
and i are concerned sean is

1412
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,640
sean is is basically i guess

1413
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:23,680
i guess you could call him now like my

1414
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:24,240
mental

1415
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,079
sensei in all of this

1416
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,240
there is there's a certain consciousness

1417
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,680
aspect and a certain

1418
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,280
[Music]

1419
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,599
certain rabbit hole that uh that you can

1420
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,200
go down with the ce5

1421
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,240
type of type of things and everything

1422
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,160
from

1423
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,559
meditation and mind and body and

1424
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,160
out-of-body experiences

1425
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,280
and astral projection and remote viewing

1426
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,160
and i don't know where my belief

1427
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:54,960
structure lies with that

1428
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,079
but i'm opening my mind to the

1429
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,480
possibility of it all being true

1430
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,280
in varying degrees and just running some

1431
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:05,520
personal experiments um

1432
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:08,559
i would not have thought that any of it

1433
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:12,799
was real until

1434
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,880
if you ever go to the cia library online

1435
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,960
and just do some keyword searches and

1436
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,640
and look for these things like astral

1437
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,640
projection and remote viewing and

1438
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,880
you actually see the declassified

1439
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,359
document straight out of the cia reading

1440
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,880
room where they're talking about this

1441
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,079
and they're like

1442
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:33,599
they're giving directions on how to do

1443
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,559
it in old

1444
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,799
documents on how they used to train

1445
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:38,559
special forces operatives

1446
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:42,240
in in in cement block rooms back in the

1447
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:43,760
60s and 70s i'm like

1448
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,799
man our government was doing this

1449
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,960
this is the instruction manual on how

1450
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:50,480
they were doing this

1451
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,680
i now have access to the same thing

1452
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:56,240
that people that were apparently spying

1453
00:58:05,829 --> 00:57:57,040
on

1454
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:11,030
right here there it it's not focusing

1455
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,950
yeah if you can see the document at all

1456
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:14,960
on the camera

1457
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,760
this is this is all i'll read it if it's

1458
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,119
not focusing it's

1459
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,520
approved for release for release back in

1460
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:23,839
2003 department of the army

1461
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,720
u.s army operational group u.s army

1462
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:28,880
intelligence and security command

1463
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:31,599
and the subject is analysis and

1464
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:32,559
assessment of

1465
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:35,680
gateway process and the gateway process

1466
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,000
comes

1467
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,559
from the monroe institute that was

1468
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:40,160
teaching people

1469
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:48,829
i've got 20

1470
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:52,000
27 28 pages

1471
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:55,520
of documentation from the cia

1472
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:58,480
uh library on remote viewing just right

1473
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,440
there and that

1474
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,520
that stuff blows my mind i never thought

1475
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:03,040
it was real but

1476
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,319
but now i'm i'm like hey okay let's give

1477
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,000
it a shot let's see if this works

1478
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,799
it's it's totally real and when you when

1479
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,640
you realize that it's

1480
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:15,359
if it's real to them and i by them i

1481
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,680
mean

1482
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,480
intelligence then it should be real to

1483
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,440
us

1484
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:22,240
and uh when they perfectly explain these

1485
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:22,880
things

1486
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,960
in declassified cia documents it becomes

1487
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,480
readily available

1488
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,880
and you know it's a small world have you

1489
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,119
spoken with angela thompson smith at all

1490
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:34,799
in boulder city

1491
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,280
no you gotta talk with her i i have uh

1492
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:42,079
i have a very close circle and believe

1493
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:42,880
it or not

1494
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:46,480
i rely on sean and lou

1495
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:50,559
to be my filters for the world because

1496
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:53,920
i do not want to get duped by

1497
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,440
joe dirt and and his his wife peter out

1498
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,280
behind his trailer reporting himself to

1499
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:01,440
be somebody he's not there are a lot of

1500
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:02,400
people

1501
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:07,280
and some of them have a lot of followers

1502
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:08,720
on twitter who are

1503
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:11,839
not who they say they are and they did

1504
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:12,319
not

1505
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:15,680
go through what they say they did and i

1506
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:19,760
use lou and sean and their experience in

1507
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:20,640
all this

1508
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,520
to become my filter and tell me straight

1509
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,440
up you know hey this guy is trustworthy

1510
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,599
this guy's solid yes i vetted him

1511
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,119
i don't know [\h__\h] about this guy stay

1512
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:30,960
the heck away from him you know

1513
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:34,079
so if if i don't run it through sean or

1514
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,200
lou

1515
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,839
i don't talk to him yep and it's it's

1516
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:40,400
kind of getting back to that gateway

1517
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:43,599
uh she has it well she she is a

1518
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:46,640
remote view instructor who used to

1519
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:49,359
do the nevada remote viewing group who

1520
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:49,680
was

1521
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:53,200
hired by uh bob bigelow

1522
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:57,440
to remote view uh specific areas in utah

1523
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:00,480
and it's it's interesting

1524
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,920
when uh it when and if you make a trip

1525
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:04,880
to utah

1526
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,160
it may be fun maybe afterwards just or

1527
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,839
i you don't want to what they call

1528
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:11,200
pre-load you know

1529
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,559
go with go with uh go go with something

1530
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,079
in mind so it may be best to

1531
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,599
put that on the back burner like you

1532
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,520
said but yeah the remote viewing

1533
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,400
stuff is very real and when you talk to

1534
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,760
people that were involved with the

1535
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,720
instruction

1536
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:27,040
or the actual gateway project the monroe

1537
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,079
institute and

1538
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,480
and kind of that invisible college you

1539
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,240
realize like it's real from

1540
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,160
pretty much every angle you look at it

1541
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:35,920
it's a solid

1542
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:38,559
solid well the one thing that convinced

1543
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:39,680
me

1544
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,319
and it's it's so

1545
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,680
i don't know so so weird

1546
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,440
the one person that i've spoken to

1547
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:52,160
outside of of the approved quote unquote

1548
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:53,119
circle

1549
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,119
um i spoke to a guy probably about

1550
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:59,039
four weeks ago about a month yeah about

1551
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,640
a month ago

1552
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:02,160
and he was talking to me about the

1553
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:03,920
remote viewing and this guy

1554
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:07,440
was in the military claimed to have been

1555
01:02:10,090 --> 01:02:08,720
a remote viewer

1556
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,100
for the us government

1557
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,319
[Music]

1558
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,559
did not give me his identity he

1559
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:15,839
contacted me

1560
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:17,359
because of a couple tweets that i had

1561
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:19,039
put out and

1562
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:22,079
he he called me through a burner number

1563
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:22,480
on

1564
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:25,839
signal and i have no idea who he was

1565
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,119
uh is but

1566
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,000
he creeped me the hell out man because

1567
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:35,200
he told me

1568
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,549
and as soon as he used the words in the

1569
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:44,240
middle of your living room

1570
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:47,440
the hair on my arms stood up because

1571
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:51,280
i have a really big living room

1572
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:54,559
and everything that i have is pushed up

1573
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,319
against the walls because i suck at

1574
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:58,960
interior decorations so i don't have

1575
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,599
things in the middle of my living room

1576
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,839
at all

1577
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,680
but i did that week because i was

1578
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,599
working on my ceiling fan and i left my

1579
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,039
ladder sitting in the middle of my damn

1580
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,520
living room

1581
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,280
and he told me i had a ladder sitting in

1582
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:14,960
the middle of my living room

1583
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,039
and i'm like all right i'm listening

1584
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,280
and and we had a at a probably about a

1585
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,680
20 30 minute long conversation

1586
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:26,000
and it was not on instructions it was

1587
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:30,079
not on abilities it was just simply on

1588
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:33,839
him telling me that it's real i'm like

1589
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:37,920
okay it's real i get it

1590
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:40,720
it's such a fascinating subject and

1591
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:41,920
there's so many

1592
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,880
aspects to it you're i i can't thank you

1593
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,720
enough for coming on the podcast jeremy

1594
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,559
and i hope we talk again real soon i'm

1595
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,319
happy that you're a fellow uh

1596
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:52,319
nevadan because there's so much neat

1597
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:54,079
stuff to see down here and i think your

1598
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:55,039
project

1599
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:59,440
will definitely tell our listeners where

1600
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:00,720
your gofundme is

1601
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:03,359
where sky hub is and i can't wait to

1602
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:03,760
hear

1603
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:07,359
from you and your adventures ryan it has

1604
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,920
been an

1605
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,440
absolute pleasure i appreciate you

1606
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:11,680
having me on and and uh

1607
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:14,240
you know once uh once we get this whole

1608
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,079
mask thing taken care of

1609
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:18,160
uh you and i need to sit down and and

1610
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,200
have a beer

1611
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:20,799
sounds good all right thank you for your

1612
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,359
service again and all the best my man

1613
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:25,200
absolutely ryan thank you very much i

1614
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,400
appreciate it

1615
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:28,799
what an amazing guy what an amazing

1616
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:29,440
mission

1617
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:32,799
what amazing experiences and of course

1618
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:35,440
just a classic quality individual and

1619
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:36,480
veteran

1620
01:04:42,309 --> 01:04:39,520
can't thank him enough for his time

1621
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,319
and uh you know for all the military

1622
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:43,920
operations he did

1623
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:46,640
and i i think what he witnessed a lot of

1624
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:47,359
people

1625
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:50,559
uh can really thank him for that because

1626
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,039
it's opening the eyes of a lot of

1627
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,920
individuals when military members and

1628
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:57,200
veterans come forward with this

1629
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,559
information because these are the people

1630
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:00,480
we trust with our safety

1631
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:03,599
and uh he is just a quality guy

1632
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,119
i really want this sky hub

1633
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,839
technology to be mounted to his awesome

1634
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,359
overland vehicle

1635
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,960
and i think you guys should definitely

1636
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:14,880
follow him on twitter let me give you

1637
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:15,200
that

1638
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:18,480
it is jeremy j e

1639
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:22,400
r e m y

1640
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:25,520
you on identity one which is u

1641
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:28,799
n i d e n t i

1642
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:32,319
one jeremy and identity one

1643
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,000
and uh jump on twitter reach out and

1644
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,280
shoot him a donation to his gofundme

1645
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:40,799
because this sky hub

1646
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:44,559
thing is uh what cooler way

1647
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,599
than to have it mounted on a mobile 4x4

1648
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,640
tracker

1649
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,280
like he is discussing and uh i'm sure

1650
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:52,720
we'll make reality

1651
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:54,400
let's let's definitely help him out with

1652
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,359
that also go to heroparanormal.com

1653
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,359
shoot us a buck or two and it is your

1654
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:00,799
gateway to uh

1655
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:03,680
all the podcasts and the archives thanks

1656
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:04,079
for

1657
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,599
have a great one until next time keep

1658
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:09,119
your eyes to the skies

1659
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:11,440
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1660
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,029
[Music]

1661
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:33,440
time machine third eye feeling like a

1662
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:34,400
knee

1663
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:38,160
blast off blast off blast off

1664
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:41,359
blast off come blast off in my time